How to exceed the Limits of the Plumbing Code AS/NZS 3500.3:2021

The plumbing Code graphs, charts and tables etc were derived by experimentation, and for that reason these graphs and tables
only cover the extent of the experiments.

So what happens when we have situation that has a greater flow, or area, than what appears on the design charts?

We know it is possible to design anything, (size doesn't matter.) the Snowy River was put in a pipe.

A dam can have a side entry spillway. Which is the same theory as a side entry gutter, only bigger.

The bottom line is there are standard hydraulic formulas out there that can calculate this stuff.

Admittedly there are some other factors that come into play when the size gets smaller. For instance the water entering may fall in the middle, or side of the gutter. The height of the fall may have some effect. The roughness coefficients may be different. The energy and momentum coefficients may be different.

However this is the advantage of having experimental results, these coefficients can be calculated and changed to make standard formulas fit the results.

This is what I have done with these programs.

However just be sure that this works, lets see how my formulas compare to formulas derived by a recognised Authority, eg CSIRO.

Many years ago the CSIRO derived formulas for roof gutter design.

The formulas were published in this document:- Roof Drainage by K G Martin Division of Building Research, CSIRO.

The CSIRO formula for eaves gutters has various alternatives. I have chosen to use the one relating to a down pipe at the end of the gutter and having a bend in the gutter between 1.8m and 3.6m from the down pipe. This gives results almost identical to the plumbing Code.

As you can see there is a slight divergence at the higher flows but my formulas are on the safe side.

Now for Box gutters, I have gone into a bit more detail here

**A0.6 Assessment Methods **
The following Assessment Methods, or any combination of them, can be used to determine that
a Performance Solution or a Deemed-to-Satisfy Solution complies with the Performance
Requirements, as appropriate:

(a) Evidence to support that the use of a material or product, form of construction or**design **
meets a Performance Requirement or Deemed-to-Satisfy Provision as described in A2.2.

(b) Verification Methods such asâ€”

(i) the Verification Methods in the NCC; or

(ii) such other Verification Methods as the authority having jurisdiction accepts for determining compliance with the Performance Requirements.

(c)**Expert Judgment. **

(d) Comparison with the Deemed-to-Satisfy Provisions.

Also from Clause DV1:

We are relying on the fact that the CSIRO can be classed either as expert judgement, or an Organisation with recognised credentials.

Activating the extra features allows a printout of the calculations. It is noted in the printout if the results are outside the limits of the Code graphs or tables. The result is then shown as "extrapolated", and corresponding to formulas developed by the CSIRO. "Roof Drainage by K G Martin".

So what happens when we have situation that has a greater flow, or area, than what appears on the design charts?

We know it is possible to design anything, (size doesn't matter.) the Snowy River was put in a pipe.

A dam can have a side entry spillway. Which is the same theory as a side entry gutter, only bigger.

The bottom line is there are standard hydraulic formulas out there that can calculate this stuff.

Admittedly there are some other factors that come into play when the size gets smaller. For instance the water entering may fall in the middle, or side of the gutter. The height of the fall may have some effect. The roughness coefficients may be different. The energy and momentum coefficients may be different.

However this is the advantage of having experimental results, these coefficients can be calculated and changed to make standard formulas fit the results.

This is what I have done with these programs.

However just be sure that this works, lets see how my formulas compare to formulas derived by a recognised Authority, eg CSIRO.

Many years ago the CSIRO derived formulas for roof gutter design.

The formulas were published in this document:- Roof Drainage by K G Martin Division of Building Research, CSIRO.

The CSIRO formula for eaves gutters has various alternatives. I have chosen to use the one relating to a down pipe at the end of the gutter and having a bend in the gutter between 1.8m and 3.6m from the down pipe. This gives results almost identical to the plumbing Code.

As you can see there is a slight divergence at the higher flows but my formulas are on the safe side.

Now for Box gutters, I have gone into a bit more detail here

How to exceed the plumbing Code limits for box gutter design

When the program is outside the scope of the plumbing Code AS/NZS3500, the National Construction code (which overrides the Plumbing code) allows alternative Performance Solutions to be used. Refer to Clause AO.6, which states(a) Evidence to support that the use of a material or product, form of construction or

(b) Verification Methods such asâ€”

(i) the Verification Methods in the NCC; or

(ii) such other Verification Methods as the authority having jurisdiction accepts for determining compliance with the Performance Requirements.

(c)

(d) Comparison with the Deemed-to-Satisfy Provisions.

Also from Clause DV1:

Compliance with DP1.1 to DP1.4 (which is the performance requirements of roof drainage) is verified eitherâ€”

(a) by calculation and certification by persons or organisations with recognised credentials in the design or testing of stormwater drainage systems; or

(b) by satisfying the required criteria when tested in accordance with a specified test method endorsed by a recognised certification body.

(a) by calculation and certification by persons or organisations with recognised credentials in the design or testing of stormwater drainage systems; or

(b) by satisfying the required criteria when tested in accordance with a specified test method endorsed by a recognised certification body.

We are relying on the fact that the CSIRO can be classed either as expert judgement, or an Organisation with recognised credentials.

Activating the extra features allows a printout of the calculations. It is noted in the printout if the results are outside the limits of the Code graphs or tables. The result is then shown as "extrapolated", and corresponding to formulas developed by the CSIRO. "Roof Drainage by K G Martin".

Activate the extra features here